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and failure has captured a single word. purpose. muhammad ali was beaten in a ring but always came out back. mike tyson was beaten in the ring, beaten in life. what he stood for is anybody's guess. boxing expert teddy atlas told me about this and i hope i never forget it. he was giving me life advice. and i cannot thank him enough for everyone takes a beating now and then, and, often, because you didn't do something you should have or did something you shouldn't have or simply because you had a bad day, week or year. it's what you do then that sets people apart. look at the magnificent job hillary clinton has done in the last four years. she lost presidency in 2008 and now looks better than she ever did. she's certainly looking like a winner before senators and congressman that included the serious, the comic and, of course, the absurd. as her legions of followers like to say go girl, go.
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. if she performs in this campaign coming up four years from now, anything like she did today, she'll win and win big. if she performs as well as she did today, look out. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> thanks, chris. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, secretary clinton standing strong. republicans in congress showed their true colors today when the secretary of state testified about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi. she was serious. she spoke from the heart and stood aground when republicans tried to score some cheap political points, like during this heated exchange with gop senator ron johnson who accused her of not knowing enough about the attack. >> that was a piece of information that could have been easily, easily obtained. >> well, but, senator, again.
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senator, i, you know, when you're in these positions, the last thing you want to do is interfere with any other process going on. >> i realize that. i realize that's a good excuse -- >> well, no, it's a fact. >> we were misled that there were supposedly protests and something sprang out of that. and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact. and the american people could have known that within days and they didn't know that. >> and with all due respect, the fact is we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest? or was it because of guys out for a walk one night that decided to go kill some americans? what difference, at this point, does it make? it is our job to fissigure out t happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, senator. >> protecting americans. stopping another tragedy. that was secretary clinton's focus. >> as i have said many times, i take responsibility. and nobody is more committed to getting this right.
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i am determined to leave the state department and our country safer, stronger and more secure. >> secretary clinton knows that preventing another terrorist attack should be our focus. not scoring political points. and she showed that again and again today. they didn't lay a glove on her. joining me now, senator barbara boxer, democrat from california. she took part in the hearing today. senator, thank you for being here tonight, first of all. >> it's a pleasure. >> i want to ask you about that exchange between senator clinton and senator johnson. after the hearing, johnson accused senator clinton of evading him by getting emotional. what do you make of this kind of discourse from republicans? >> well, it looked to me like there was a concerted attempt to attack secretary clinton who, by the way, has handled this so well. and let me explain why. that's not just rhetoric, it's a
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fact. as soon as this happened, she ordered an independent review and said to those non-partisan leaders who led that review, let the chips fall where they may. tell us what happened. tell us what we did wrong. tell us how we can avoid this in the future. and she has put in place policies so that we have a much better system now already in place to make sure that when we are asked for more security, there's a very direct route to that request and it gets handled. if the republicans will allow the state department to transfer some moneys, not add new moneys right now, just transfer some moneys so they can beef up security. she handled him. she was actually very rude to her. and to say that a person is emotional after she lost a really good friend in the ambassador and she had to, as she explained, meet their families of the ambassador plus
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the other three people. i mean, i don't know what these republicans are thinking. but they are hurting themselves again. they're making this political and it's not political. >> well, let me ask you this, senator. >> yes? >> let me ask you this. already, the right wingers out there in full force saying that she said it doesn't matter. now, you were there. you were at the hearing. from my watching it, she said it didn't matter at that point of how they were classifying it. they wanted to find out what happened. she was not saying it didn't matter how they ultimately came out with a conclusion of what happened. am i -- did i hear this wrong? or are they right? or am i hearing it correctly? >> no, of course -- the secretary ordered an independent review and made sure that the vast majority of it is unclassified so that people can actually see and get a handle on what happened.
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she's one of the most transparent secretaries of state we've ever had. her point is is it more important to make sure this never happens again? or is it more important to climb into the heads of those killer terrorists and figure out what their motivation was? >> right. >> we want to catch them. and we want to make sure this never happens again. she was cleared. but i think what this showed is, you know, how these republicans will resort to anything. i want to make a point here. they went after susan rice. susan rice, if you look at what she said, was very clear when she reiterated talking points she was giving from the administration, including intelligence officials, and she said we think it may have occurred because of the demonstrations. but we're not sure. compare that to 500 television interviews given by the bush administration saying that sadham hussein had weapons of war and they started a war which
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led to the deaths not of four people, but 4,000 plus american soldiers. >> we're not only 500 interviews, the bush administration went in front of the u.n. with pictures. and for these guys, now, all of the sudden, to question intelligence in a 24-48 hour period when this went on for months and years with their failed intelligence is ludicrous. but let me go to another attack. senator ran paul from kentucky. listen to his attack. >> i think that ultimately, with your leaving, you accept the culpability for the worst tragedy since 9/11. and i really mean that. had i been president at the time and i found that you did not read the cables from benghazi, i would have relieved you of your post. i think it's inexcusable. >> aside from it appearing another political cheap shot, why would he assume that secretary clinton would have
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served him as secretary of state if he were the commander in chief? i think that's a presumption he's making there. but aside from that, how did you read that attack? >> well, reverend, i wanted you to know something. when i heard him say those words, i walked out of the hearing room and listened to him from behind the stage because i was so infuriated at what that man said. to suggest that she is retiring from this post, after traveling a million miles and being one of the greatest secretaries of state because of benghazi is unbelievable. and for him to say that benghazi, which was a tragedy, was the worst tragedy since 9/11? where was he during the iraq war, which we went into on false pretense which killed more than 4,000 of our brave men and women and injured tens of thousands and their lives will never be the same and they're committing
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suicide in record numbers. this is a shocking lack of information. and to speak to secretary clinton that way, it says more about him than it does about her. and i can only say they have not changed since the election. they're making -- playing politics with this. when we have a secretary of state who took full responsib responsibility, who ordered an independent review and will not rest until we get to the bottom of this. so i think at the end of the day, secretary clinton showed just what a strong and courageous leader she is. she is not going to back down -- >> but they're not playing politics -- >> yes, they're playing politics. >> they're playing politics with not only secretary clinton, they're playing politics with people's lives. we're talking 4,000 in iraq that he has ignored. that was not a major catastro e catastrophe? i mean, it's like no limit to what they will do to score a
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cheap political point. >> that's exactly right. and i have to tell you that the american people resent this. they resented it in the election when they tried to turn against our president in ways that were so unfair it would take us hours and hours to discuss it. people rejected it. and they saw sitting there a woman who has done an outstanding job who is going to get to the bottom of this issue because of her desire to make sure that all the facts come out. she's trying to implement it. i just want to interrupt myself to say something here. you know i know reverend, that the republicans in the house cut hundreds of millions of dollars from embassy security. and one of my colleagues, republicans, had the nerve to say that they were very disappointed. that the independent review board said we need more resources. my retort to that is why aren't
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you taking resources away from our security? i don't see anyone here doing that. >> right. >> but they went ahead and cut those resources and then they turn on the secretary of state and try to blame her because there wasn't enough security. >> after they cut the budget. but let me ask you this before we run out of time. i must ask you. you had some kind words even earlier today for secretary clinton. and you said, and i want to play them for you quickly, this is you. >> sure. >> i want to thank you because this is maybe the last time you've come before us as secretary here. i want to thank you for your advocacy in behalf of women around the globe. you will be sorely missed, but i, for one, hope for not for too long. >> were you implying that you'd like to see mrs. clinton return maybe as a candidate for president, just between you and i? >> just between us? absolutely. yes. >> all right.
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that's about as straight an answer i can get and i always get a straight answer from senator barbara boxer. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> nice to see you. >> same here. >> coming up. caught on tape, speaker john boehner says president obama wants to annihilate republic republican -- the republican party. even for boehner, that's a low point. plus, the right wing freak out over the president's inaugural address. america's changed. republicans haven't. also, hillary clinton, joe biden and what everybody is saying about them in 2016. it's a big show tonight. so stay with us. ♪
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have you joined the politics nation conversation on facebook yet? we hope you will. believe it or not, everyone was speculating about 2016 today. will it be hillary clinton against joe biden? phil says it would be interesting to see who obama endorsed? it certainly would. the letter says obama runs the people in the country like our president. casey says it's time for a woman to run the show. sorry, joe, i'm for hillary. we've got more on the possible sweet 16 match-upcoming up later in the show. but, first, we want to hear your opinion. please head over to facebook and search politics nation and like
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yes, you could. go national. go like a pro. i think we have to be prepared to go so far as to shut the government down. >> save your powder for the debt ceiling fight. >> i think there's going to be a whole new field of battle when the debt ceiling rolls around. >> our opportunity here is on the debt ceiling. this is where we have leverage. >> remember that the gop vowing to hold the country hostage for cuts? they had the leverage, getting ready to fight.
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speaker boehner even tried his hand at extortion saying, "there's a price for everything." but, now, here comes the cave. today, republicans in the house voted to suspend the debt ceiling. what about the hostage-taking? not this time. and remember all the usual bluster in those press conferences of theirs? today, the gop leaders ducked the press. only a few print reporters, boehner's camera man and a lone fox news camera were there to capture their comments in their entirety. huh? so why the sudden change? >> the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> they will not collect our ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. what i will not do is to have
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that negotiation with the american people. we're not going do do that. >> they're not going to do that. their once united front buckling. opposition health care? disintegrating. >> we cannot mistake absolutism for principle or substitute spectacle for politics or treat name calling as reasoned debate. [ applause ] we must act. we must act knowing that our work will be imperfect. >> this might not be the end of the gop's spectspectacle, but, at least we see some action. joining me now is joy reid, managing editor of "delgrio.com" and an msnbc contributor.
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and ryan grim, editor for "the washington post." joy, let me start with you. the gop finally blinked. >> look, they were going to raise the debt ceiling. >> take us hostage? >> no, you know what, they were always going to raise the debt ceiling. they knew it. everyone knew it. the president wasn't even taking their calls on this issue. he was like you can call me if you want to talk, but not about the debt ceiling. they understood they couldn't negotiate. and at the end of the day, the only reason the republicans held the nation hostage over the debt ceiling the first time around was it was a part of their one-thing strategy. the one thing. the one thing they cared about since 2009, january, was making sure barack obama was a one-term president. that's it. that's the only reason they were able to gamble with the full faith and credit of the united states in the first place. now that they've failed, there is really no reason to do that
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brin brin brin brin brinksmanship again. >> clearly, they don't have the same motive. >> right. >> ryan, speaker boehner said yesterday that the president is trying to destroy the gop. listen. >> we're expecting over the next 22 months, to be the focus of this administration. as they attempt to annihilate the republican party. and let me just tell you, i do believe that is in his circle, to shove us into the dust bin of history. >> that's pretty strong words, particularly since some believe they're doing a pretty good job of annihilating themselves. >> i think what john boehner is doing there is he's trying to talk his more extreme elements into relaxing for the next couple years and not making too much of a spect kal of themselves. you know, he wants to put the fear of annihilation in them. and this two years is different from the last four in two really
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critical ways. leading up to 2010, republicans wanted to take over the house and take over the senate. leading into 2012, they wanted to take over the white house, take over the senate and keep the house. and so they had to be extra aggressive to try to get themselves out there. that famous quote of mcconnell saying we're going to make him a one-term president. but their goal in 2014 is not to take the house because they already have the house. there's no presidential election. so what they want to do is preserve the status quo of maintaining the house of representatives. and if they can pick off some democrats in red states and inch closer toward taking the senate, than they want to do that. but they can do that by being a lot more moderate. extremis extremism, right now, is not politically beneficial for them. maybe leading into 2016, the calculous will change for them. but over the next two years, i think you're going to see a lot more accommodation. >> so ryan is saying they want
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to maintain the status quo, joy. and i think it's an interesting point because they seem like they're in disarray on very critical issues. for example, on guns. they seem like they're in disarray. it's almost laughable, the answers they've given when they were questioned about universal background. give you examples, republican senator jams inhoff says i don't know what you mean. senator bob corker says i hate to respond just in the hallway, so i won't. really? and by all means, senator john barrasso even says i've got my wife here. i'm sorry, i've gotta -- thanks. i mean, what happened to these advocates for the second amendment -- a distorted interpretation of it -- but what happened to this is like they're all over the place and no place trying to just keep things as they are?
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>> right. why would you want to talk about gun control in the hallway? that's not the right place to do that when your wife is on the phone. there's that saying, nature hordes a vacuum. there's an absolute vacuum of leadership where they really aren't sure what to stand for. the tea party ideology is now unpopular. the tea party is extremely unpopular. that extremist brand is unpopular. people don't like them. they're understanding for the first time now that the glass has been broken on the terrain yum that they've been living in for the last eight, four years, they're unpopular. and because there's no real leader, the leadership is gone and the national view and the weekly standards, those outlets are now neoconservative. no one really wants war. so that's not popular. they've got these talk radio and web site extremists. they're not popular. there's no coherent philosophy anymore. >> no, there's no leadership, there's no coherent philosophy.
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and, ryan, we're also seeing even the opposition to health care lose its theme among republicans. michelle bachmann's repeal bill initially couldn't even find sponsors. governor jan bruin, the latest cave on medicare expansion in arizona. and speaker boehner even calls it the law of the land. these are the people whose main goal in unseating president obama was to go after the health care act. now, they've even weakened on that. >> right. and one of the key divisions within the republican party is, on the one side, you have people who recognize that the 2010 kind of tea party uprising was a momentary phenomenon. the backlash against it has effectively wiped it out. it will be around because it can be self sustaining because there's enough republican districts that you can have several dozen of these members
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in the house for the foreseeable future. and the other candidate that looked at the 2012 election and said we're on the wrong side of the demographic and political shifts that are happening here. what can we do to change the course of this. but the problem is that there are a ton of republicans who are just fine with controlling the house, controlling a lot of governor's mansions, controlling the kind of consultantcy corporations. a lot of people are doing very well by this status quo. >> especially when the extremists have become unpopular. you know, in my rigid diet, i drink only tea now. one thing i can tell you about tea, it is delicious. but when the bag breaks, it's very, very nasty. joy reid and ryan grim, thanks for your time this evening. >> still ahead, republicans invoking dr. king to defend
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secretary clinton's testimony today was one of the last glimpses we'll see of her as secretary of state. but, will she return to washington in a new role? today, democrats just couldn't help themselves. >> you have represented the interests of this nation magnificently. i, for one, hope after a bit of rest, you will consider a return to public service. should that return bring you to florida, i will welcome you there. >> i want to thank you for your advocacy on behalf of women around the globe. you will be sorely missed. but i, for one, hope not for too long. >> i think i speak for all of the freshmen, we're not going to get much time to serve with you, but we hope in a few years, we'll get that chance again.
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on monday, the nation celebrated president obama's second inauguration. here's what a lot of us saw on television. ♪ but certain folks on the far right saw something very dirnt. thanks to the wonders of republivision we're able to show you their version. ♪
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>> i'm not making this up. that's what conservatives believe. republican congressman paul brown says, "i think the only constitution that barack obama upholds is the soviet constitution. wow. the right wingers really do believe that the president has finally revealed himself to be the communist, marxist, socialist mancuirian candidate community organizers they knew he always was. >> what we heard was a hard left manifesto from the president of the united states yesterday at the inauguration. >> one thing was pretty clear from the president's speech yesterday. the era of liberalism is back. >> no longer does the president seek to portray himself as a moderate. he is an out-the-closet liberal. >> hard left. obama unbound.
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were we watching the same speech. the policies that the president talked about, gay marriage, immigration, climate change, gun safety, the president's positions on all of these are backed by the majority of americans, these are mainstream views in the year 2013. america has changed. republicans haven't. the president wasn't calling for a progressive shift in american politics. he was just confirming what's already happening. joining me now, douglas brinkley, presidential historian and a professor at rice university. and jonathan capeheart, opinion writer for the "washington post" and an msnbc contributor. thank you for joining me tonight. president obama is way more in the mainstream than opponents try to paint him, don't you think? >> oh, without a question. i find him to be a very sen
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tryst president in many ways. and, look, that inauguration, i thought, it was just an incredible speech. i mean, no, it was not, you know, f.d.r. in the middle of the depression with nothing to fear but fear ilts or lincoln's second inaugural in the civil war. but it's one of the three, four, five, top second inaugurals in u.s. history. it was martin luther king day. he focused on social justice. seneca falls isn't left wing or radical. it's the women's right to vote. that's the majority of americans. it's a way to pay homage. and so i thought it was just an empowering speech and a very inclusive. >> and, as i sat there, doug, listening to him, and then i heard some of the analysis later -- maybe i'm wrong, but i wanted your opinion as a historian before i go to jonathan. i thought he was talking more about a vision for the country
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going forward this century about where he sought the times, where the country needs to go in terms of the times we live, more than he was even given an agenda from his second administration. i think he was dealing more from a transformational presidency than he was saying here's a list of what i want to do in the next four years. was i over-playing the president's words? >> well, not at all. i mean, we anticipate -- he had almost a paragraph about climate change. nobody knows exactly what to do about it. but he wanted to address that problem. and about 30, 40 years from now, people will go back and say the president had the courage to put it in there. he has to start being an educator. that's just one of a number of things he did very well in that speech. now jonathan, bill o'reiley,
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last night, say something that was different. let me play it. >> why are so many americans accepting president obama's vision when less than 30 years ago, president reagan was the political icon? the struggle in america is not between republicans and democrats, it's between us, we the people. you either want freedom or you don't. >> us. we the people. want freedom or we don't. how is what president obama's talking about, social justice and equal pay for women and rights for gays and lesbians. how is this not wanting freedom? i don't understand? that's why i called it different. and the fact that 30 years ago, we saw reagan as an icon means 30 years later that we can't say that we think what the president is saying today is just as
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important as what people felt about ronald reagan 30 years ago? help me with this, jonathan? >> well, i wish i could get into the mind of bill o'riley and figure out which people is he talking about when he says we the people. yes, ronald reagan was an icon 30 years ago. but that was 30 years ago. icons change. times change. the country has changed. and is continuing to change. and so for anyone to take exception with what the president said is in willful denial of what is happening in this country. willful denial of what happened on an election day last year. you know, the president ran -- he was pretty clear on how he wanted to govern if he was given another four years. >> right. >> the republicans were as clear as they could be with the nominee they had with where they wanted to go, which was in completely the opposite direction while also denigrating 47% of the country. the country made a choice. they chose decisively in
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re-electing president obama. in that inaugural speech, he, you know, gave a vision of where he wants the country to go. i think douglas described it beautifully. what the president was trying to -- what the president was trying to do. the republican party has a really big problem. it's not just a message problem. they have a demographic problem. they are going to continue to be, and i keep saying this over and over again, a regional, reactionary party until it figures out how it's going to deal with the demographic changes in this country. not just the latinos, but with women, african americans, gays and lesbians. >> well, we is a little too narrow when they say we. doug, "the new york times" has said the first year for his agenda is crucial. he has, perhaps, as little as a year to accomplish his big-ticket goals for second
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term. their window of opportunity narrows with each passing month. is that true from your assessment as a historian? and if so, how does he deal with the majority in the house still being republican and being in someways captors of a small minority of extremists in the republican caucus? >> i think he's got to focus on a congressional agenda just these next sixth months. i think by the time the summer kicks in, his ability to work with congress is going to be almost impossible. he's got to push through gun control reform right now. he's going to have to deal with, obviously, the debt. that's going to keep coming up. and you might be able to take on immigration. and i think that's the big hope. but, after that, things get so speeded upright now with these election cycles, we'll be already running the midterm elections. but that does not mean barack obama is going to be a lame duck. he's going to be using executive power, going around the world,
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china, europe and being a global leader as well as an american leader. >> i've got to go. but jonathan, did we see a tougher president obama in his second inaugural address? >> oh, absolutely. we saw a tougher president obama in the inaugural which makes me look forward to the state of the union address to see if that toughness is actually even tougher. >> douglas brinkley, jonathan capehart, thank you both for your time. >> thanks, rev. >> ahead, biden might want to and hillary might, too. the 2016 heavyweights. that's next. stay with us. twins. i didn't see them coming.
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the fact is, we had four dead americans. was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go
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kill some americans. what difference, at this point, does it make? we've got to get our act together between the administration and the congress. the reason i said max it open. tell the world because i believe in transparency, i believe in taking responsibility and i have done so. >> secretary of state hillary clinton battling the gop on the hill today. in this video, her testimony today is one of the last you'll see of clinton in secretary of state. but the dramatic sub text today is her political future. and it has a lot of people talking. will we see hillary run in 2016? and will it be a showdown with vice president biden? and whom could take over the oval office. joining me now is bob schrum, senior advisor to president
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obama's campaign. and maria and of msnbc contributor. i want to hear from both of you on this question. bob, let's get right to it. >> i don't think we know yet. i don't think she knows yet. i actually don't believe she has made this decision. she has traveled over a million miles. she's traveled over 110 countries. she's done an unbelievable good job. i don't think she's going to take a few months off. do i think it's likely that she runs? yeah, i think it's likely that she decided not to. the person you saw today, in that clip you just saw, i think those republicans must be saying to themselves, gee, we kind of wish we hadn't held this hearing. when you look at the way that some of these people are, that's the closest he's ever going to
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get to being president. she was the one in that room. she's incredibly popular. >>. >> you almost forgot how good she was until today. >> i think that clip that you showed demonstrated had to either serve as secretary of state has actually made her more accessible to the american public. that was one of the problems that she has that she couldn't connect. people con neblgt with her. i think a lot of republicans attacked her when she was actually ill. i think she has the presidency on her mind. when she's going to announce? i'm not sure. but she has a recognition. she's a huge fan not only between african americans and women, but i think that her future is definitely hers to write. but she's tough and growing in her role as secretary of state.
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and seems very presidential. >> now, barb, looking at the pros, abc news poll has 67% favorable rating for hillary clinton. 48% favorable with vice biden. what do you make of this as a strategy? >> doesn't it tell you about being the most public figure in the country? secondly, you have to understand she's been in a largely nonpolitical role. and vice president biden has been the point of the lands for the president on a whole set of things. he's had a very good several months. the vice presidential debate, the campaign, the fiscal cliff deal, the way he's conducted himself during these inaugural ceremonies. but he's connected with people. the one thing i'm pretty certain of is that they both won't run. one of them is going to run, i don't think both of them will.
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>> now, does he work it out? >> you don't think that -- >> i think it will be more natural and organic than that. i think first of all, hillary clinton is going to make her decision. i think vice president biden is clearly interested in running. i think they are the top tooer. one of them is very likely to be the democratic nominee. and, by the way, you know, you look at hillary clinton, she'd be very formidable in a primary. maybe that's what was driving them crazy today. >> as i watched that hearing during my radio show, she was very impressive. and they kept coming after her and then we hear all of these attacks from the right. let me give you an example.
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now, talking about all pre-planned, is this a strategy to start going after hillary clinton now because they fear she may be what they face in 2016, maria? >> well, it's a strategy not to rally the base, but to expand it. anyone listening to that is
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saying you're basically up to the same old shenanigans. why am i going to vote for you when you're attacking a woman that, not only does she excel, but she actually increases the bar for everyone to achieve that one, as well. so they're definitely not extending their base going after her with that language. >> and, barb, the american people, isn't this, at the end of the day, about four americans that were killed and how we protect other americans and just jump over the bodies of these four americans and start engaging in politics and posturing and cheap shots seems almost insulting to the american people and the memory of those that we lost. >> and i think it's transparent to the american people. those guys were a row of creeps. they're saying the same kind of stuff about her they said about the president for the last four years. it didn't go anywhere. maria, theresa is absolutely right.
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i don't think they're expanding their base, she's right. i think the more and more people hear this, the more and more they say the republican party is out of control and out of touch. you look at someone like chris christy, he would be a formable republican candidate. he won't tow the party line on everything. you have a republican party that's extreme, you have a secretary of state and presidential candidate who is clearly mainstream and a vice president who is in the same position. >> we'll be watching this. thanks. we'll be right back. >> thank you, reverend. >> thank you. what are you doing?
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